RICH EAGLE INTERVIEW
George Noory, Dr. William Birnes, Rich Eagle
Nov.18, 2009 show
George Noory, the late night radio host of Coast-to-Coast AM, along with New York Times best-selling author Dr. Bill Birnes interview Rich Eagle on-air late night November 18, 2009 at 2:40 am EST to help launch George and Bill's new book Journey To The Light.
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GEORGE NOORY: We’re going now to Youngstown, Ohio.
Rich Eagle contributed to Journey to the Light.
Hey, Rich, how are you? Thanks for staying up.
RICH EAGLE: Hi, George. Hi, Bill.
DR. BILL BIRNES: Hi, Rich.
RICH EAGLE: Hi. Thanks for having me on tonight around your campfire…
GEORGE NOORY: Ha, ha, ha
RICH EAGLE: …so that we can...tell our stories that have touched our heart.
GEORGE NOORY: Absolutely. I’ve got the marshmallows by the way, guys.
Here we go.
Tell us about, uh, what happened to you, Rich, and the stories of your life.
RICH EAGLE: Uh, Thank you.
Um, Yeah, I was looking online today on your book and I was looking through the chapter on Amazon, and I tell yah, this is our chance as listeners, to support… you…and put you on the map with the best sellers list, with this book.
It really, you know, listening to tonight’s guests as we’re doing here in our home…Evelyn and I are sitting here with the dogs, listening.
And this is, incredible stories that are touching the heart.
I can’t wait to see the Goats movie.
GEORGE NOORY: Uh, ha, ha, ha, yeah, absolutely.
DR. BILL BIRNES: What was your, what was your story Rich? It’s really kind of, ah, spiritually enlightening.
RICH EAGLE: Yeah, what happened to me…is, uh…and it’s something that I almost didn’t want to write about because it…it...it touched me so deeply.
There’s a...state park up in Minnesota, in the southern corner of the state, by Luverne, Minnesota...down near Pipestone National Monument.
And we just happened to go down to Pipestone one day...Bonita, my former girlfriend, and I back, uh, in the late, uh, 1980’s.
And we went down to, we just happened to go down to Blue Mound State Park because they had a herd of buffalo. So we popped into the gate, saw the buffalo, and then we were reading the brochure in the park and it said that on the other side of the park there was an alignment of rocks…that’s thousands of years old…that goes from east to west. (Note: See pictures below, following this interview.)
And we just dropped our jaw. It was like, “What?” We’ve never heard of this before. This is incredible!
So, we drove around to the southern part of the park, and explored, and discovered that that there is definitely an alignment of rocks, with a huge rock at the top, and on the eastern end there is an alignment, there’s like a, an amphitheater of natural rock.
So we decided to come back the following spring, because it is lined up east to west. So it just made sense for us to come back.
We got there early in the morning. It had been snowing. It was cold. It was foggy.
As we came up the hill we noticed that there was a spiral of light coming out of the hill. And I think, because of the temperature and the fog, that this was highlighting the energy...beam...spiral that we were seeing. It seemed to be coming out of the rock at the top of the hill.
And as we got up, uh, to the tree…as you enter the park there’s a tree there…and there was no wind, and every leaf...on that tree...was shaking…with no wind.
So we got out a smudge pot and we smudged, and we entered in, and we discovered that this is a very sacred place.
As the light came up, it was cloudy, we didn’t get to see the sunrise, but we dis-, we realized that there was some very special features to the park. And one of the rocks we saw had a rock carving, an incredible rock carving with Native American life. We came back to it a little bit later to see it in better light and…it had…disappeared!
GEORGE NOORY: Ah! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
DR. BILL BIRNES: What?!
GEORGE NOORY: I love this story.
RICH EAGLE: Yah, and as we were in the middle, there’s like a dance, there’s a circle of trees that looks like something right out of the Wizard of Oz.
Anybody can go to this park and see what I’m...telling you about.
And I discovered that the very middle there's a rock, and it had, uh, [a branch] it’s shaped like a tuning fork, and on the end it had an ice crystal formed around the base.
So something inside just says pick it up. So I did. And right when I picked it up the wind came up. And if I pointed it into the wind, it would kind of stop, and if I pointed it away from the wind it would really start blowing at me. So I figured out, hey, I’m supposed to...follow this. I’m supposed to follow the wind.
So we went up to the very top of the park where the wind was blowing from. We look back over, and here, the rock that we were looking at earlier, and its called Eagle Rock…(chuckle)…and it's actually a Native Americans head looking up to the sky.
And, uh, and then at the very end of our time there, and I had taken photographs there and none of them came out, which was really interesting.
GEORGE NOORY: That’s weird all by itself isn’t it?
RICH EAGLE: And then, uh, at the very end, I was praying, Heh, what else can I do with this magic wand in my hand? So I kind of stirred it up toward the sky…and the Sun broke through...and came out for us.
GEORGE NOORY: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha...
DR. BILL BIRNES: How do you explain that, Rich?
GEORGE NOORY: Sometimes you can’t Bill.
RICH EAGLE: Well, number one, we’re, we’re all connected to everything. There is no separation between us, and the clouds and the sun.
Limitation to Truth, uh, you Will. You know, we All have Awareness.
Everything in our experience, we are Eternally...Aware.
We don’t, we have bodies but we’re not our bodies, we have minds but we’re not our minds, we’re not our thoughts, so we have this spiritual Awareness.
And these things happen.
Quantum physics tells us that...anything can change into any other shape...and also that the observer who’s observing influences the events by their intentions.
So that’s what physics is telling us.
So, what I get from that is that: Anything, can happen to anybody, at any time.
But the bottom line is that it’s a spiritual, usually a spiritual, lesson.
So everything is spiritual, but it’s just a matter to what degree.
GEORGE NOORY: It sounds like you’ve got, uh, in in all your life Rich, you’ve had this ability to, uh, tap into things. I, and I think a lot of it has to do with just who you are as a person.
RICH EAGLE: Each of us is on a spiritual path.
Each of us who are human, on this Earth right now, has a spark...of the Divine within us.
And the clinical proof, and there is clinical proof out there...Dr. David Hawkins...who had the largest psychiatric practice in the country, discovered he could use kinesiology...muscle testing...to test the truth of any statement.
So now we have a whole body of knowledge by Dr. Hawkins...that sets forth the reality of Truth and puts it on a gradient scale from 1 to 1,000.
And, uh, classically anything below level 200 would be considered the demonic levels...uh, Luciferic levels. These are eternal energies. These are very true serious energies, but they don't have real power. They gain their influence by allegiance only.
And then on the other end you have the celestial energies, which are really what we are.
So we have a human body and yet we’re, we have these spiritual experiences.
GEORGE NOORY: Well said.
Thank you, Rich, for contributing to the program.
BLUE MOUND STATE PARK, MINNESOTA
A Spring Equinox sunrise at Blue Mound State Park, in Luverne, Minnesota.
Looking east at the eastern end of the ancient east-west rock alignment and
peering into the natural stone "ampitheater" with the dancing trees.
Sitting inside the natural rock "ampitheater" I am looking to the east..
Looking east you can see the big boulders on the middle left where we saw the rock carving,
which later "disappeared."
Bonita at the easter entrance into the natural rock ampitheater.
Looking to the west while standing on the ancient thousands-of-years-old rock alignment.
And now for the whole story...
This is the original e-mail non-fiction story Rich sent to George Noory...
Sacred Minnesota: Blue Mound State Park
By Rich Eagle
The words "The Head" were written in ink on an old fragile 1800's Minnesota territory military map laying on the table in front of me in a room of a Minnesota historical archives building.
The Head?
"The Head" was some military mapmakers' shorthand name back then for a huge stone boulder perched on the top of a ridge above the edge of an ancient blue rock quarry, located at the south entrance to Blue Mound State Park in the extreme southwestern corner of Minnesota, near Luverne.
Months earlier I had driven down from the Twin Cities to visit nearby Pipestone National Monument with my former partner Bonita Anderson in October of 1990, and we had discovered The Head by chance while visiting Blue Mound State Park in order to experience a real buffalo herd for the first time.
The Blue Mound State Park brochure handed to us by the park ranger at the entrance stated that within a southern area of the park was a one-quarter mile long alignment of rocks piled up east to west that was dated to be thousands of years old!...Wow!
How come we'd never heard of THAT one before?
My gosh, do we have some kind of ancient Stonehenge right in our own Minnesota backyard?
So, after trying to peephole view some small buffalo through the tall wooden fence surrounding a dusty dirt corral, we hightailed it over to the other side of the park on the southern end so we could spend a little bit of time there before the park closed for the night.
We parked in the south lot next to the exposed blue rock quarry cliffs and fast walked up the sloping asphalt path to the ranger station, poked around there for a few seconds, then hurried back out onto the path to go find the alignment of rocks.
We didn't have to walk very far before we were standing in the middle of the ancient east-west configured pile of old sky-blue colored stones.
And to our left, up in the distance, was a huge boulder sitting at the crest of the long ridge.
When you stand on the crest of that hill, which is the highest point within Blue Mound State Park, you can look out over the valley and gaze upon three states of our union...Minnesota, Iowa and South Dakota.
As we approached the big stone boulder resting at the top of the hill a small wooden sign next to it announced it's name and some historical facts.
On that sign was written: "Eagle Rock"...or, as the military mapmaker had duly noted: The Head.
We surveyed the landscape briefly then headed down to the eastern end of the rock alignment, which ended in a clump of big trees and two huge garage-sized boulders.
We snapped a few pictures then returned quickly to our car before the park gates closed for the night.
Because of the significance of the 'east-west' alignment of the rocks, as we drove away we promised ourselves to return there the next spring on the Equinox to experience the place again as the sun rose up from the rocks in the east.
I thought a lot about Blue Mound State Park over that winter and looked forward to our return trip in the spring.
A SACRED PLACE OPENS IT HEART
The night before that spring Equinox was cold and snowy, so we started our return journey to Blue Mound State Park late at night to make sure we got there before sunrise.
We finally arrived back at the park at 4 in the morning, tired and exhausted from driving for hours through a light snowstorm with limited sight conditions.
Our bodies were tired, but our spirits were strong and soaring.
The real adventure was about to begin...
The snow had stopped and it was still dark, very foggy and cold with no wind as we unpacked the gear from our car, which we had parked next to the locked gate at the southern park entrance.
As we headed up past the gate and onto the asphalt road that leads up to the visitor center, we both were startled to see a thick spiraling column of barely visible light, seeming to be stationary over where we guessed was the top of the ridge near where The Head, or Eagle Rock, sat.
It wasn't reflected moonlight we were seeing because it was very dark, and very cloudy, and very foggy. It was the fog that was revealing the spiral beam of energy and as we walked further up it didn't seem to move at all.
Just past the visitor center the dirt path leading to the rock alignment begins, but we both just suddenly stopped, frozen in our tracks, and stared...at the big tree just to our left.
All the leaves on that tree were moving and shaking, and there was NO wind to speak of.
(To this day, just thinking about that moment gives me the goose bumps.)
Bonita silently reached into her backpack and pulled out a small clay smudge pot filled with herbs, took off its cover and I helped her light it.
"It's a guardian tree. We have to say a prayer here."
She stoked the smoking embers inside the smudge pot with an eagle feather and began to smudge me with the smoke. And then I smudged her.
We both then slowly approached the tree, which was still shaking its leaves, and smudged it.
We prayed to God, for permission to enter those sacred grounds, for our hearts to be opened, and for our mind's eyes to be opened to see the true nature of its creation.
(A crow is now cawing and I hear its footsteps on the roof as I write these words, and my emotions have arisen to wet my eyes with these very special memories. Thank you God for that day, and always.)
Feeling deep love and peace once more, we left behind the shaking tree and started up the path, and within the next minute or two we arrived at the place where our path crossed the ancient blue rock mounds.
Standing on that ancient east-west alignment of rocks in the moments before the dawn of the spring Equinox almost cannot be described.
One's thoughts turn to a time long ago...
As we stood there looking around we noticed that the fog was shrouding the adjoining farmlands below, making all the electric lights look like floating stars on an endless sea in a milky galaxy surrounding us on all sides.
A beautiful peace settled upon us as we stood in awe in the heart of God's creation.
After a seeming eternity of tranquility and beauty I noticed that the eastern sky had slightly lightened, and one could see this sacred land more clearly.
The clouds above were thick and I thought to myself that perhaps the sunrise that morning would be invisible.
We stirred and decided to explore the eastern end of the blue rock mound alignment.
The rock alignment sits diagonally across the slope of the ridge, with the western end raised higher up near Eagle Rock, and from there sloping downwards to the eastern end, about a quarter mile in length.
As we approached the eastern end we were again startled at the open views before us.
When we had first visited this area the previous October, all the leaves were still on the trees and bushes. But now the leaves had all dropped off over the winter, were all gone, and the eastern end of this ancient place was revealed in all its wonders.
The eastern end of alignment flows into a huge circular rock area, almost like a small amphitheater but with only two levels.
And surrounding the very center of this area was a group of tall craggy trees standing in a big circle, with their big limbs shaped like...shaped like...shaped like they were frozen in some kind of dance!
We could have climbed down into the area but decided to walk around it to the left, which took us to the very eastern opening of the rock 'amphitheater.'
Another tree stood at the entrance, as we walked up a large rock slab, and a large branch was hanging down which Bonita reached up and touched, with one finger.
She stood there silently touching and communing with that tree for about a minute.
We then walked around the outside of the circle of trees and looked for a place to sit, so to perhaps watch the sun rise.
Just under the rock alignment, where we had stood earlier overlooking this place, was a small rock ledge with a perfect view, out beyond the circle of trees, to the east.
We just knew that this is were 'they' had sat. All the many souls over the eons had sat here, waiting for the sun to rise in the east, between...those two huge garage sized boulders!
"Wow, look at the size of those two boulders." So, we got up and walked over to them.
Smaller, little rocks lay in between the two huge stones and there was enough room to hold out our arms, to support us on the boulders, and to walk between them on those smaller foot rocks.
As we stepped slowly east between the two boulders, after a few feet I stopped and couldn't believe my eyes!
"Bonita! Look at this!"
My left hand was touching a teepee!
A marvelous still-life native village scene, complete with teepees, campfires, men and women, and children playing near a stream, with running dogs, was perfectly carved into the side of the left stone boulder.
"Wow! No one ever said anything about this. This is fantastic!"
We stood there in awe for quite a few minutes discussing 'the stone carving' before continuing on, and walked out from between the boulders.
The daylight was increasing, and because of the clouds it looked like there would be no visible sunrise over the rocks today.
We slowly walked back around to the circle of dancing trees looking around for other hidden secrets, when we noticed that right in the very center of the circle was a large stone. Stepping over to it, Bonita got out the smudge pot again and smudged the rock, then paced around the trees while smudging the whole area.
Right next to the rock, in the middle of the circle, lay a broken off tree branch. I looked closer at it.
The branch was shaped like the letter Y, like a tuning fork, and a big chunk of ice crystals surrounded its 'handle.'
I reached down and picked it up, and a strong wind immediately began to blow from the north.
Somehow, by instant knowing, I turned the branch into the direction the wind was blowing, and the wind suddenly calmed down.
If I pointed the branch forks away from the wind direction, the wind speed again increased.
Wow! I thought. This is cool.
An intuition came over me to 'follow the wind.' And so we did.
The wind was blowing down from the top of the hill, so up we climbed.
At the very top of the hill was an area where the tall grass was bent over from deer resting there. It was also the very highest point of the entire Blue Mound State Park because the land sloped down from there all around.
And then I looked over to Eagle Rock at the top of the western ridge and...Oh, my gosh!
Eagle Rock, from that vantage point, was revealing itself.
In a side profile, from where we were standing, Eagle Rock resembled a native elder looking up towards the sky.
The Head! Of course!
We had discovered the true identity and meaning of "The Head."
We quickly made our way over to The Head through the tall grasses, and discovered that the closer one gets, the more the elder stone face image fades away, to become just a big rock.
And next to The Head was a large flat area with many huge flat slabs of stone.
Bonita sat down nearby while I curiously began to climb on top of The Head. I soon scrambled down the other side, just out of her view.
As I approached her she told me, "From here, it looked like you crawled inside The Head!"
We started back toward the eastern end to go inspect the incredible village life 'stone carving' once more, now that full daylight had come.
As we made our way back down to the circle of trees and balanced ourselves again on the small foot rocks between the two huge boulders, we were again shocked.
We were shocked indeed, for this time, the shock was that the carving was no longer there!
Just an irregular rock surface greeted our hands, just like on the right side.
It was gone!
Or shall I say, it was there, only this time our eyes could not see it. We had been given a very special gift, a very special private viewing, and now this unique ' art gallery' was closed.
We were stunned, yet understood in our hearts to be grateful for what we had experienced.
And then we felt it was time to go.
We walked back up to the middle of the rock alignment, to the place where the dirt path crosses, and prayed to God again.
The clouds were still thick above us and even though we had experienced multiple miraculous things, I still wanted to see the Sun that morning.
Just as a lark, I held up that special branch one last time and pointed it up at where I thought the Sun was hiding.
I began to make circles in the sky around where I thought the Sun was.
And within seconds the clouds suddenly parted, and the full Glory and Light of the Sun shone down upon us in a big fat beam!
Wow! It worked! I thought. I was ecstatic and Bonita was amazed.
I realize now that I hadn't done anything right then, it was that we had been given one last special gift.
I returned the 'branch' to its rightful place back inside the circle of the dancing trees, while Bonita packed up to leave.
We took many pictures that morning but almost all of them came back...all black!
A week later I had a dream where I saw that the flat rock slabs, next to The Head, was a ceremonial area, a place to come to give birth and to be born, and a place to come to go home into the heavens.
We did see the sunrise that very special morning in March, but not the visible one, only the invisible spiritual one. The One that exists in another place, and in another time.
If you go to Blue Mound State Park, please remember that you are on sacred ground and leave it as you find it...with special memories and with the reality that the most sacred spiritual grounds of all lay within your own heart.
Peace and Love, Forever...
